If my speculation (and it is only speculation (and a strong feeling) at this point since no official announcements have been made) about Grace Park is true then yes, that is what I believe Michelle meant. Which is just sad on so many levels… that she would consider the loss of a colleague and supposed friend to be a win. That she would consider the unhappiness of many, many Kono fans to be a win. That she would consider the unhappiness/anger/shock of ANY fan for ANY reason to be a win.
But maybe she was talking about something else entirely so who knows what she meant lol
The more promos and sneak peaks that released, the less I am excited for this Five 0 finale because it looks more and more like Kono is going to be killed off.
There’s only 2 reasons for that, either Grace Park doesn’t want to do the show anymore or they’re doing it to make room for Catherine (which will piss me the fuck off)
I don’t think Kono is going to die, but I do think Grace Park will be leaving the show - maybe permanently, maybe not. If anyone dies in the finale, my guess is that it will be Michael.
I wouldn’t hold your breath lovely anon person since I’m like 99% sure that Grace Park is leaving the show.
I’ll start with saying this, not that this has anything to do with anything: I freaking adore Christine Lahti. I have since Chicago Hope, and she only endeared herself further to me at the Golden Globes in 1998, when she won best actress in a series and SHE WAS IN THE BATHROOM and came out all…
I will agree that the blatant sexism in the show we’re watching is heavily apparent when the main girl characters fall in the following categories — dead (Jameson, Laura Hill, Jenna Kaye, Malia Waincroft), sent away due to “feelings” (Lori), off screen (Mary Ann, Gabby, Rachel), constantly endangered/removed from the team for another characters love interest (Kono), and existent dependent only to/because of a male character (Lori, Cath).
But I do have to take argument with your not thinking anyone cares about what John McGarrett did to his children. While we understand *why* he did what he did, that doesn’t make it 100% okay. Nothing can. He sent both of his children away, separating all three of them, then never keeping in touch with them either, and it *broke* both Steve and Mary Ann. Even if he, and the show, regards that as better than dead, I know a lot of people who would never call it okay or laudable.
Sorry but Men don’t get it easier in a lot of people’s eyes around here, even on this show. Not even the main three-to-six. We call it on both side of the line.
As for the rest, I’ll save myself from commenting more than to say I pretty much disagree with all of it, and not from the casual sexism slant you accuse the general whole of your fandom of having, but from one of actual grounded storytelling and canonical facts (and, even well-founded examples of where it was done realistically five hundred times better in other canons/shows/books/comics with other female characters).
I agree with wanderlustlover about the blatant sexism in the show. Women characters are horribly misused and mistreated in the name of drama.
My two cents about Mama McG: For me it has nothing to do with the fact that Doris is a woman. If Doris was David, the character would still drive me nuts and I still wouldn’t be able to stand him. I can’t stand Doris because she has shown no remorse for what she did to her family. I can’t stand her because every time she’s in an episode, she is lying to her son in the name of protecting him. I can’t stand her because from the very first episode, she expects Steve (and everyone around him) to just accept her and forgive her and call her mom - and then proceeds to act wounded when they’re not falling all over themselves to do so.
In regards to Jack… Do I like what he did to his kids? No I do not. And if he came back from the dead and was a current story in the show, I would be nitpicking his past and his throwing away his family in the name of protecting them just as I do with Doris. And if he behaved the way Doris is now and had the same holier than thou, I can do no wrong, everyone must love me, attitude that Doris does, I’d despise him just like I do Doris.
Disliking Doris, for me, has nothing to do with the fact that she’s a woman and everything to do with she is simply an unlikeable character.
I cannot not believe that Michelle Borth deleted her twitter account because some people take a TV series far too seriously. I cannot believe that she put up with all of that, tried to reach out, even emailing people. She didn’t have to do that. She could have just blocked and don’t give a shit….
I can’t really read this whole thing because it’s fucking infuriating, but a few points:
- No one forced Michelle to delete her twitter, I was honestly shocked when she did.
- No one directly attacked her by name or handle, but she actively sought people out when they made even the most oblique reference to her.
- She told her followers to unfollow and cease any interaction with “The List”, otherwise they would also be unfollowed simply by association.
- She verbally attacked and shamed fans for having an opinion.
In fandom, this wouldn’t fly. If she wasn’t an actress, if she was a member of the fandom like the rest of us, this wouldn’t fucking fly and everyone who has ever been a part of a fandom knows this. Fandom isn’t about being dictated to, it’s about coming together in the name of a single show/movie/book/etc. to share opinions, good AND BAD. What is its purpose except for the viewer to enjoy it and participate in it?
Yes, we try to keep fandom to itself and not involve the creative team. Which is what everyone (as far as I can tell) on the list did - didn’t directly engage Michelle Borth. She sought them out, and wanted to punish them because her feelings were hurt. Sorry love, that’s not what we do.
Bottom line; you can enjoy fandom however you want. Quietly, loudly, critically, or obsessively, it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to stop livetweeting because it gives me joy, you are within your right to become a casual viewer and not involve yourself with fandom or the show on a deeper level. Watch for Alex, watch for Michelle, watch for any reason that makes you enjoy it. But don’t you, or anyone else, try to tell me how to enjoy something.
Our Chemistry is as strong as it is, because we are deeply attracted to one another in real life.
Just because she followed YOU, oh great anonymous person, I’m supposed to ignore that SHE can’t differenciate between herself and the character she plays?
I have no problems telling the difference between a character on a show who lies to someone they “love” and an actress who inserts herself into other peoples conversations telling them to “suggit” because they don’t like A CHARACTER she happens to play.
^^ yes, thank you!I’ve never “gotten mad” at her for her character. I blame the writing. Borth is the one who can’t seem to tell the difference between herself and her fictional character. She was attacking random fans she came across in her searches, NOT people that addressed her personally, that dared to say they weren’t thrilled with Catherine. Her imaginary, non-existent character.
I’m glad she “seems so nice” to you. You are fortunate you never said anything in a conversation to your friends that made her flip out. Some people weren’t so lucky. Does “Why you filthy little monkey” and “suggit bitch” sound real nice to you? You’d seriously stand there and tell me that sounds perfectly lovely to you and a reasonable thing to say because she searched out a conversation she didn’t happen to like?
You think it’s nice to issue a veiled threat to reveal a person’s personal info over the internet because you’re angry they sent a letter of complaint about you? I think not.
Do I think she’s a bad person? Well, if you want to get all meta-physical about it, then no. Do I think her behavior was ridiculous and over reactive and she’s spread all sorts of untruths in order to cover up her actions and gain sympathy? Yep.
This is what I don’t get: if following someone on twitter automatically makes her a nice person, then what does posting a blacklist, forcing people to turn on their friends for her and making veiled threats make her? Pretty damn terrible, in my opinion. My problem with her is that she can’t take criticism. Of any kind. She takes comments against her character personally and when someone kindly suggests she should focus on the positive instead of the negative, she blocks them. She makes nasty insults, then acts all offended and surprised when people complain about that.
I get it. She loves her character. She loves her job. Who wouldn’t? She’s a pretty woman, living in Hawaii, working with talented, nice actors and she gets to do action scenes. I’d kill to be in her shoes and I’m pretty sure I’d handle the backlash better too. She could learn a thing or two from Lauren German (Lori) who got lynched last season by fans. Instead of lashing out, she kept her head up and makes jokes. Damn funny ones too. And you know what, even though I still don’t like Lori the character, I have loads more respect for the actress now because Michelle Borth shows what happens when you can’t deal with it.
Now, I don’t hate Borth. I don’t hate people who don’t matter to me. But I hate her behavior and what it’s doing to the fandom. If she would apologize to the people she insulted and admit that she took it too personally there wouldn’t be a problem. But that’s the problem these days, isn’t it? People cross the line all the time but they don’t have the integrity to just look back and admit they were wrong. I have so much more respect for people who aren’t afraid to own up to their mistakes.
It’s Graduation time, end of the school year, whatnot. And that means YEARBOOKS! So here we are. Borth’s Hit List, Class of 2013!
It’s been a wild and wacky 2 weeks, but with all the mud slinging and goofiness it feels a lot longer.
And just think, 14 days ago half of us didn’t even know each other! But thru the magic of anger management issues we all met and bonded. I’m pretty sure that was not the intended result, but, if one will sling epithets and threats…
People tend to rally against bullying and injustice. We’re funny like that.
Just think, one day you too could be up on this wall of fame. All you have to do is get bullied and targeted for daring to talk freely amongst yourselves. Some weren’t but chose to speak out against the self appointed ‘police and punish’ faux-losophy and ended up here too. Isn’t that wonderful?
Proud of us girls. Have a great summer!
Funny, how true that is. I thought it couldn’t be but got out my calendar.
15 days ago, I was slicing strawberries for fruit salad parfaits, for my Grandmother’s dinner on the first night of her first trip to visit down here in over six years, while the internet was lighting up my phone and warning me, to hide or get ready for the shit storm, as Michelle Borth had unblocked me just engage(/insult) me.
It’s insane to try and look at it that way, in certain seconds even right now. 15 days ago no one had said no, except in quiet, in private to friends. And i definitely didn’t know any of these people. One of them knew me, on a distant-but-general level, because of my meta’s, two of them I had a vague-fandom knowledge of.
But everyone else has seriously met for the first time and bonded through the magic of this (ongoing/up scaling/down scaling farce and refusal to be bullied/put up with bullying), and now they frolic like unicorns on my tumblr dash and my twitter list. Bringing with them a wealth of pictures, comments, fandoms, real life things, hilarity and seriousness.
Best serendipitous event in a very, very long time.
I love you, girls. I’m proud to be among you.
No regrets. Not a single bit of one.
— Amanda, Class of 2013
Because of my site I knew everyone on the list to some degree, some more than others. I am now honored to call each and every one of them a friend. These women (and the many, many others who are not actually on the Borth Hit List) are amazing people and I love them all. For their bravery, for their strength, for their integrity. There are much worse lists to be on and much worse people to be associated with so I happily wear this badge with pride.
I’ve had better weeks in my life but I am thankful, yes thankful, that these series of events happened. Standing up for what’s right isn’t always easy. But if I’ve helped even one person feel safer online because they no longer fear they’re going to be attacked by an actress for having an opinion about their fictional character, then it was worth it. And I’d gladly do it again.
Like I said on Twitter… I stood up for those who I felt were being unfairly attacked and bullied. If that makes me an evil bitch, so be it. My conscience is clear.
My message to future classes? Lies are easy, truth is hard. And true friends are the ones who stick with you no matter who tells them not to.
— Lisa, Class of 2013
Just some guesses. I have nothing to base any of these on other than my own speculation and wondering mind. Posted in order (top to bottom) of how likely I think they are to occur.
Alex and Scott on the set of 3.22 (x)
Glimpses of 3.24 Aloha. Malama Pono (Farewell and take care)
Credit: PLenkov via Twitter
May 17, 2013 (check local listings) x
As requested, for reblogging purposes.
Yes, yes I would BAMF_Kono. As I think most people would.
#H50 ‘Because there are totally two sides to every story’
Signal boosting, because, seriously, everyone over here in the list (myself included) would be glad to sit down, have a sane, rational, respectful conversation with you, answer your questions, and tell you/show exactly what’s been going on behind the scenes.
No. Really. That’s exactly how ‘mean’ we are.
I’d totally even offer you tea and a cupcake if you visiting.
And I’m the first name on her list, every single time lately.
This is the “harassing” and “bullying” comment I made, unaddressed to her, not hashtagged, and made to ONE person, a friend. Heinous and evil isn’t it?
I spoke to my friend, with sarcasm. How dare I!
But I guess when your feelings get hurt it totally justifies cursing someone out.
And lying about it afterwards, repeatedly. Successfully turning it into a campaign of “hate speech”. Who needs truth when you can whip up sympathy and anger among your rabid followers?
Then, when that person, me, writes a letter of concern to the CBS PR dept. attached to the show asking what they think of this, it’s perfectly okay to get defensive and spread more lies.
Now it twists from the truth into an alledged letter campaign full of hate and attempts to get her fired. And if you hang yourself up on the cross and repeat the lies long enough and loud enough the mob starts to believe it. Victory is at hand!
But then a day of silence…attention wanes among the rabble…how to whip them up?
Well silly, you get angry, because by now you’ve been shown the letters, and you make a blacklist of all 8 people who wrote concerned letters after getting bullied, you broadcast it, and tell everyone that if you even breathe near these people they will be persona non grata in all of fandom. Forever. Go You!
Wait…one more thing, we’re not done yet. Lastly, we make another self congratulating broadcast and issue a thinly veiled threat that, having seen the letters sent on our abusive behalf, we now have full names and contact information and, if you really wanted to, you could release it to all the crazies on the Internet if you really were a bully!
BUT, you’re so innocent! You wouldn’t do that! Silly gooses! (But I could!) (Also don’t anyone else even think of writing in about me, cause I’ll do the same to you!) Ha! Just kidding! We’re all friends, right? Knuckleheads.
Now you go out and spread forth the lying and hate and we’ll just giggle and pat the head of the minions calling those nasty haters and the hater’s friends things like c**ts and fags and bitches. Cause that’s not disgusting hate speech. That’s just telling it like it is! Look what strong independent people we are! Yay us!
Anyone may feel free to ask if you’re a little confused between the actual truth and the widespread rumors, insults, and lying going on.
Yep, my ask box is open. I don’t have tea and cupcakes but I make a mean guacamole.
And check my Twitter timeline or my blog here. You will not see me badmouthing any other fans, calling anyone in the fandom a bitch or a c*nt or a liar or telling anyone who they can/can’t be friends with or saying I hate anyone.